WikiMoon talk:Style guidelines

General Questions

Anyone know how to create a redirect from, say, "Molly" to "Naru"? I've never actually done that. :P

Right: Assuming this works like Wikipedia, on the "Molly" page you'll want this: #REDIRECT [[Naru Osaka]]{{R from dub name}} Dooky 00:18, 15 May 2006 (MST)

Sweet, that worked. Thanks Dooky. Kyaa the Catlord 00:20, 15 May 2006 (MST)

Howabout Category: Fanfiction? :P Kyaa the Catlord 00:23, 15 May 2006 (MST)

Could be a can of worms. I think it's important to have stuff on the fandom, but we don't want every fanfic author on the planet uploading exhaustive details of their works. Personally I'd like to concentrate on canon stuff first and foremost. Dooky 00:31, 15 May 2006 (MST)

I like the reference to Memory Alpha, I think that's the best role model you can have.--WikiSysop 01:01, 15 May 2006 (MST)

I'll try and get a 'model' character page up at some point so people know what to aim for. Dooky 01:07, 15 May 2006 (MST)

I noticed we have a Sailor Mercury page but not a Mizuno Ami page. Is that the way this should be kept? Use the hero identity for the characters who have one? Usagi Tsukino would thus redirect to Sailor Moon. I have no problem with this.--WikiSysop 01:17, 15 May 2006 (MST)

I was considering moving in the opposite direction, but we'll see how it goes. Dooky 01:21, 15 May 2006 (MST)

It doesn't make a difference to me. We can do whatever makes sense.--WikiSysop 01:24, 15 May 2006 (MST)

I think having the Ami article then go on about Sailor Mercury makes more sence, otherwise it's like having an Article about Gundam Wing Zero talk about Herro Yui when it should be the other way round (Yes, I'm taking the Sailor Senshi to be the Mobile Suit, sorry but it makes more sence to me, but then again, it might be like having a SuperMan article talk about Clark Kent, which also makes sence...gah. --Conan-san 03:50, 15 May 2006 (MST)

I'm ok either way. :P Kyaa the Catlord 01:24, 15 May 2006 (MST)

Where are you getting the seiyuu list and official English translation episode titles from? This way we all have the same source.--WikiSysop 07:09, 15 May 2006 (MST)

Also, how do you build those contents tables?--WikiSysop 00:02, 17 May 2006 (MST)

The episode titles I'm using are the ones on the ADV/Pioneer DVDs, albeit with the occasional term left in Japanese for consistency (they tend to translate 'Senshi' into 'Warrior/Soldier' and 'Youma' into 'Monster', whereas here we keep those terms in Japanese. I can post a full list of the titles if you want.

As for the credits... I translated most of them myself, since there were no complete credits available (the Pioneer DVDs had fairly accurate credits, but the ADV credits plain sucked, and of course there were no translated credits at all for Stars). The closest thing to them that I have online right now is the seiyuu section on my site, but that lists actors and the parts they played rather than per-episode credit lists (note that due to some server configuration problem and my sucky html, this page can't currently be viewed with IE7).

If you want to make some new tables, the quickest way is just to edit the ones already up, deleting/changing fields as necessary. Create a new page called Template:(whatever you want to call the template) and copy-paste all the code from another Template page. Then just rename the parameters, and replace any instances of the old template's name with the one you want. I can't explain it too well since I'm still learning it myself. There's a guide to making tables [1], but it's pretty long-winded. It'd be nice to have our own, simplified guides on how to do this stuff at some point. Dooky 00:20, 17 May 2006 (MST)

In particular I'm thinking of those tables at the top of an article like Sailor Mercury which let you select between different parts of the article. So gadgets, trivia, etc.--WikiSysop 00:45, 17 May 2006 (MST)

Oh, those things. Don't worry about them, they're built into the software. They automatically appear once an article has a sufficient number of headings (I think it's about three or four) ^_^ Dooky 00:54, 17 May 2006 (MST)

In addition to all this, I've gone and started fixing it so that after the initial synopis of the episode, it reads "The north american dub title for this episode is Silly American title, go!." or This episode has no US name due to it not being aired as a result of it's content.. I got up to where the Episode Guide is and I'll come back to it, but if you feel like picking up where I left off, the code I used was

<br>''The north american dub title for this episode is '''Silly American title, go!'''.'' for the ones that have an episode title or <br>''This episode has no US name due to it not being aired.'' for the ones that don't--Conan-san 07:06, 20 May 2006 (MST)

We don't really know why most of the undubbed episodes were omitted... to be honest, content probably wasn't an issue as most of them could have easily had any objectionable stuff edited out. So unless we actually know the reasoning behind episodes being dropped, it's probably not worth speculating. Dooky 10:10, 20 May 2006 (MST)

Agreed, we don't have proof in some cases that it was due to content. Its possible with one or two they probably chopped it out just to meet a 65 episode requirement. Or because they suck.--WikiSysop 10:12, 20 May 2006 (MST)

Ok, then I'll just say they were Omited?--Conan-san 12:22, 20 May 2006 (MST)

We should have a page listing all the different templates, with a link to it on the Style Guidelines.--WikiSysop 08:07, 17 May 2006 (MST)

On use of Images

Images in some of the character pages are causing problems, particularly when they're aligned to the left. I think they'd make more sense aligned right, but the character template's there. So I think we should have the main image (at least for the primary characters) as part of the character template. Opinions?--WikiSysop 07:46, 23 May 2006 (MST)

I agree, the I've been using line breaks to try and rectify these issues but it causes a lot of useless white space to appear. We should probably agree on an image size, I've been using 171 x 191 simply because that was the dimensions of the Sailor Mercury image that was already on the site. GracieLizzie 08:59, 23 May 2006 (MST)

I moved the Sailor Mercury image to the right, which looks somewhat better IMO (no interference with the table of contents). It would be even better if we could place it above the character template, but I don't know how to do this.

Another possibility would be to include the image into the template. Then positioning wouldn't be an issue, but care should be taken to make the template still look good when there is no picture. --Mercurian 11:21, 23 May 2006 (MST)

I did try putting images into the templates, but it made them unmanageably huge. Left-aligned images should work okay if they're positioned after the first section break - that way they won't collide with the contents box (if one exists). Really, the main problem now is that a lot of these pages have templates and images but very little text, so the various boxes keep crashing into each other. Dooky 11:41, 23 May 2006 (MST)

Spelling?

Should we declare that we're using either American or British spelling conventions, for consistency across pages? Kerochan no Miko 18:32, 2 June 2006 (MST)

Heh... another one I don't really have an answer to. Wikipedia actually uses both, as do most of the smaller wikis, it seems. If we were to adopt a consistent usage, then it would have to be American English, since I imagine that most contributors here are American. On the one hand it might look a little bit nicer, but on the other had we want to be as welcoming as possible for everyone.

What does everyone think? My own opinion is that it doesn't really matter as long as a consistent form is used for article titles (I've tried to do this myself, using things like Aluminum Seiren and Crown Game Center desptite my Britishness). Do people think this is enough, or should we have a site-wide policy on the subject?

Personally, I like to have consistency across the whole site - yes, yes, it's perfectly understandable &c, but I'm horribly picky. If it doesn't bother anyone else, though, I'll just drop it. Kerochan no Miko 10:19, 3 June 2006 (MST)

I'd rather go with US spellings myself, I've been putting color instead of colour for example, because most of the users of wikimoon are going to be American. I tend to prefer British spellings when creating my own webpages but as wikis are multi-editor websites I think using US spellings would be better. GracieLizzie 01:41, 4 June 2006 (MST)

Formatting

What should we do with titles of episodes, movies, and musicals? Italics? Question marks? Neither? Kerochan no Miko 10:28, 8 April 2007 (MST)

Okay, nobody apparently has an opinion, so I made a decision. Italics for titles of musicals, quotation marks for episode titles. Kerochan no Miko 12:38, 24 April 2007 (MST)

Though technically only the first mention of something in an article should be linked, when it comes to lists it looks really odd when some items on it are linked and others aren't simply because they were mentioned in a previous paragraph. I'm thinking specifically of the Phage article here, but there are other instances of this-- in the aforementioned article, the title of episode 173 and Sailor Sommelier's name in the list shouldn't be linked because they were both mentioned in the opening paragraphs. If they aren't, though, it looks really out of place. Should we add an exception to the rule for instances like this? Kerochan no Miko 23:47, 24 December 2010 (MST)

I think it should be considered on a case-by-case basis, & in the abovementioned case, yes, those two links shouldn't be delinked - actually there've already been certain other articles which also have some links repeated among their different sections for similar or other reasons. --210 00:59, 25 December 2010 (MST)

Sounds good to me. I'll make a note in the guidelines accordingly. Kerochan no Miko 06:52, 25 December 2010 (MST)

Article Creation

I've been thinking that maybe we could include a brief section here pointing out some basic considerations when creating articles. It could mention things like discussing the name of the potential article beforehand or adding the mandatory templates (you know, the type of things you remind us in this case, Miko). The General Guidelines for Writing Articles already mentions some things about the naming of pages, etc. so it may be seem a bit redundant at first, but I personally think it'd be useful. Any opinions? Silver 03:59, 21 April 2011 (MST)

That's a good point - that and noting that people should use their discretion and just because an article is red-linked somewhere it doesn't necessarily need to be created. (That's not as much of a problem nowadays, given the lack of red-linked articles, but it could still come up.) If anyone has more suggestions for what the section should include feel free to give them, and I'll see what I can come up with. Kerochan no Miko 04:10, 21 April 2011 (MST)

Canon Order

I've noticed that articles with sections for multiple incarnations of the series have been changed to put "Anime" at the top and "Manga" second - where/when did that become the standard? It seems to me that the manga section should be first, since it came before the anime, rather than the other way around. Kerochan no Miko (talk) 12:18, 25 July 2017 (MST)

I've forgotten when - must be years ago - but as I recall, that was decided after a discussion somewhere, in which you also participated, if not even made that decision yourself. I've always been aware that the manga came before the anime, but have also forgotten whether I agreed or disagreed w/ the decision (or had no opinion) in that discussion ^^; - it seems to me the rationale was that the anime is more commonly known than the manga (?), but I'm not sure. : / --210 (talk) 12:59, 26 July 2017 (MST)

Actually, after some Google work, it appears to be a discussion where you made the decision because I had no opinion: WikiMoon:Community Portal#Section. I'm leaving the link here to make it easier to refer to in the future. Also, now that we have Crystal, I think we should go with Anime, Manga, Crystal, PGSM, Musicals, Games. Kerochan no Miko (talk) 14:54, 26 July 2017 (MST)

Have totally forgotten that. : P And no objection to that ordering. --210 (talk) 11:52, 27 July 2017 (MST)

Translations

I added a note about parenthetical translations inside articles, just for consistency - we've had some that put "lit." before the translation, or put the translation inside the parentheses in quotation marks, and if anyone sees those please bring them in line with this. Hopefully my explanation makes enough sense for that to be possible. Kerochan no Miko (talk) 20:15, 22 June 2023 (EDT)