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Some of these names are kind of iffy, but I wanted to put something down for them. Specifically...

Leo is never named. The name seems to have stuck because he (she? it?) is created from the constellation Leo.

Doringelars is just one of those terms. The spelling is almost certainly wrong: on the net I've seen both ドイリンゲラー (doiringeraa) and ゾイリンゲラー (zoiringeraa). It's the only term we have to refer to Misha and Janelyn's Youma forms, but it isn't mentioned in the guides, and I haven't a clue what meaning (if any) it has. Dooky 06:04, 18 May 2006 (MST)

The ADV subs called them something like Zoiryn Gellar or some such. I'm and it sounded like a name of duo or something. I'm not 100% on the spelling. GracieLizzie 06:09, 18 May 2006 (MST)
Yeah, it was something like "Zoyrin Gellar". I went with Doringelars since it was the spelling used in the fansubs I had, but to be honest it basically came down to preffering one spelling over the other aesthetically. Not very methodical, but when you have an apparently meaningless term, what else can you do? ^_^ Dooky 06:13, 18 May 2006 (MST)
I did wonder what it meant, personally I prefer Zoyrin Gellar or whatever but I have no idea which is more accurate. I did try Googling to see if this was some figure skating or ice dancing referance but I couldn't find anything. GracieLizzie 07:04, 18 May 2006 (MST)

I have another question, is the other Youma from episode 42, the one Sailor V defeated when she was in London ever named? Is he worth a mention? GracieLizzie 16:13, 21 May 2006 (MST)

No, he's not named, but he might be notable for various reasons. Not only is he the only Youma seen outisde of Japan, he's also the only male 'native' Youma seen in the series (all of the other male Youma were created from humans). Not sure what you'd call the entry though. The London Youma? Dooky 17:01, 21 May 2006 (MST)
That sounds like a title of an unknown criminal, like Jack the Ripper or something. Heh, I can picture it showing up on the 10 'o Clock News or something. Imagine the fun the Tabloid press would have with it. I can almost picture the Sun frontpage now "SAILOR V IN LONDON MONSTER MAYHEM!" XP Whereas the Broadsheets would be all "Sailor V Intervenes in Interpol Chase". GracieLizzie 18:02, 21 May 2006 (MST)

How to differentiate between "owned" and "created" Youma? Most that served Nephrite (pretty much all except perhaps Castor and Pollux) seemed "created" to me. --Rosen 07:30, 10 August 2006 (MST)

It seemed to me that Nephrite's Youma existed prior to his implanting their essence into an object. He spoke of "implanting my Youma in such and such" - which suggested that they were simply confined to some sort of noncorporeal state prior to emerging. Castor and Pollux were implanted like all his other Youma, but he refers to them as his most powerful Youma, indicating that he is acquainted with them. dooky 07:36, 10 August 2006 (MST)
Well, it's a bit up to interpretation I guess. To me, they seemed like pretty undefined "basic Youma essence stuff" before he infused them into something which gave them form and identity - kind of like the Daimons in S. Castor and Pollux were somewhat different, being connected to a constellation and all. (That said, Leo seems very much not like a Youma to me; I'd call him the result of a spell, a manifestation that Nephrite created with his magic.) Still, I guess their manga-ish appearance might have been different if they'd been implanted in the brush of a classical painter or such; we don't really know the extent of the host objects' influence on them. --Rosen 13:53, 10 August 2006 (MST)
I think that some Youma might be essentially malleable when it comes to appearance. The Seven Great Youma must have been influenced by their hosts, because I can hardly imagine those being their original appearances - an arcade machine Youma and a stationery Youma wouldn't really have fit in on ancient Earth, I somehow suspect... dooky 13:59, 10 August 2006 (MST)
There's another point that deserves to be brought up: Is there any remotely canon-ish explanation as to what the Youma (especially the non-created ones) are? The natures and backgrounds of most other MotDs is usually pretty clear, after all. The Seven Great were apparently around at the time of the Earth/Moon war, though the Dark Kingdom soldiers seen in ep. 44 all seemed to be human men. The big weird crowd in Beryl's court (albeit anime only) must have come from somewhere... My viewpoint on that is probably influenced by them consistently being called "demons" in the Swedish dub. ^^ Or can one simply assume that they are similar enough to the youma of Japanese mythology? --Rosen 23:44, 10 August 2006 (MST)

^ Since you've mentioned Japanese mythology, I'd like to point out that traditionally objects (including humans) in the living environment have been imagined to be some non-human beings, whether good, bad or neutral ones, e.g. a Japanese paper umbrella w/ a single human foot. You may find more examples in the Ketaro manga/anime or other sources. 210 00:28, 11 August 2006 (MST)

I agree that some of the names are iffy. But since this is an English website, shouldn't we be using the English names? Because SOME of them look like the kind of thing you'd find in a Japanese version, including Jedite = Jadeite, Neflite = Nephrite, Zoycite = Zoisite, and Malachite = Kunzite. I know the names Morga, Fro, Ramua, Yasha, since they are specifically mentioned in the anime, and a few of them were excluded from English anime so they can stay as is, but none of the names of Malachite's monsters match the ones I heard. Ghostkaiba297 13:57, 5 March 2009 (MST)

The site is in English, but the information is primarily on the original Japanese version. There are places to note the English-dub names of the characters, but that's not their primary name on this site. Kerochan no Miko 16:08, 5 March 2009 (MST)
In the Sailormoon Memorial it's given the Katakana "ゾイリンゲラー". After doing a bit of searching, on an Italian site, it's written as "Zorin Gellar" which apparently represents the surnames/last names of Misha and Janelyn - http://sailormoon.channel.forumcommunity.net/?t=24987256 - According to Google's Translator it's common for a pairing ice skaters to have their last names joined together, thus, Zorin being Misha's last name, and Gellar being Janelyn's. I tried to find information about this joining of the names, but haven't found anything so far. Maybe someone else would have better luck? ~ Fighter4luv 05:19, 23 March 2010 (MST)

Leo...[edit]

In the Sailor Moon Memorial "Leo" is called "妖獣 レグルス" (Beast Moster: Regulus). I think we should change the name. Avocadora 07:05, 17 August 2009 (MST)

Change the name to "Beast Monster Regulus" or to "Regulus"? Kerochan no Miko 12:53, 17 August 2009 (MST)
I think that "Regulus" only, since in the Memorial all youma have 妖魔 before their names. That means that "Regulus" maybe should be in a different section. Avocadora 13:13, 17 August 2009 (MST)
I don't object to it being called "Regulus" but why would it be in a different section? Kerochan no Miko 13:14, 17 August 2009 (MST)
In the memorial all youma have 妖魔 before their names, except "Regulus" that has 妖獣 and the "Lake Monster" (because is not a youma). Avocadora 13:19, 17 August 2009 (MST)
I included the Lake Moster as a Miscellaneous Youma. I know it wasn't created by the Dark Kingdom but in the anime they treat it as a Youma, or at least as an evil spirit very similar to it. Mmmhp, I'm not sure about it, any objections? --Silver 13:43, 17 August 2009 (MST)
I noticed that we already have a "Regulus" article. Avocadora 13:58, 17 August 2009 (MST)
The Youma are categorized according to which Shitennou commanded them. Whatever name is given to that one, whether it be Leo or Regulus, it was still one of Nephrite's Youma and therefore it still belongs in that section.
And yes, it's not unusual to have more than one article for something with the same name. What's the question? Kerochan no Miko 20:11, 17 August 2009 (MST)

To Avocadora, I am somewhat disappointed that the name of the article for the youma has been changed to that of Regulus. Just because one website the Sailor Moon Memorial refer to him as Regulus doesn't mean other website's do. My wikia, the oracle, bssm, (Fortunecity Sailor Moon to name a few, refer to the youma as Leo or his Japanese name (獅子座, Shishiza [Romanisation]). I strongly recommend that the name be changed back to Leo. (This unsigned comment was left by Old fart, 21 November 2009)

No. It will not be changed back to Leo, because Regulus is his official name from a canon source (that being the Sailor Moon Memorial, which is not a website, as you seem to believe). If there is an official, canon name for a character, there is absolutely no reason for us to use a fan-derived one. Kerochan no Miko 09:02, 21 November 2009 (MST)

Nephrite's Shadow[edit]

Should Nephrite's Shadow be considered as a Youma, or rather as a projection of his power? --Silver 18:05, 23 August 2009 (MST)

I'm...not entirely sure on that one. Leaning toward no, though, since it seemed to be more an illusion than an entity in its own right. But...I'll consider it. Kerochan no Miko 20:57, 23 August 2009 (MST)
That reminds me of Beryl's shadow, Mio, in PGSM, & Mio isn't treated as a Youma here. --210 21:56, 23 August 2009 (MST)
I've just re-watched the episode and Nephrite describes it as "my other self", the Shadow only appearing once. In the manga the Shadow is a female with her own will (or rather Nephrite's) disguised as a regular woman, and she reappeared after Sailor Moon destroyed her (and that's something Youma don't tend to do)... I'd say that Nephrite uses her instead of a Youma, but she's not a Youma in its own right. However, I think she/it deserves her/its own article. Silver 11:40, 24 August 2009 (MST)
BTW Kerochan, what do you think about the Nephrite's Shadow thing now? Silver 19:42, 26 August 2009 (MST)

The Kodansha release of the manga has Nephrite calling it "a formless shadow of myself" which IMHO says that it's a projection of his power and not a separate entity. Kerochan no Miko 16:07, 13 September 2011 (MST)

Games Youmas[edit]

Here are the desings by Naoko Takeuchi: [1] Avocadora 13:42, 22 July 2011 (MST)


Kunzites Youmas?[edit]

Is Bandana not a Youma of Kunzite?--77.3.70.227 02:49, 22 June 2014 (MST)

Oniwabandana is listed under Kunzite. Kerochan no Miko (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2014 (MST)