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:::Sorry, I forgot that you don't know much about the English adaptation of Sailor Moon, here's a screenshot of Angelo's name in the credits for Super S -> [https://i.ibb.co/31PRr71/vlcsnap-2020-04-20-08h28m37s607.png]. Also Esther Thibault, the singer who didn't have her union card until after doing Sailor Moon, so she was not credited, has emailed me the lyrics and titles for the songs and is also going to send me some audio samples she has on hand of other additional dialogue she recorded, but if you want more proof other than Angelo and herself being a part of the series, I'll leave it. -[[User:CorzaMoon|Corza Moon]] ([[User talk:CorzaMoon|talk]]) 18:32, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
 
:::Sorry, I forgot that you don't know much about the English adaptation of Sailor Moon, here's a screenshot of Angelo's name in the credits for Super S -> [https://i.ibb.co/31PRr71/vlcsnap-2020-04-20-08h28m37s607.png]. Also Esther Thibault, the singer who didn't have her union card until after doing Sailor Moon, so she was not credited, has emailed me the lyrics and titles for the songs and is also going to send me some audio samples she has on hand of other additional dialogue she recorded, but if you want more proof other than Angelo and herself being a part of the series, I'll leave it. -[[User:CorzaMoon|Corza Moon]] ([[User talk:CorzaMoon|talk]]) 18:32, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
 
::::That is proof that Angelo was an audio mixer engineer, which is fine, but not what's under discussion here. You still need to provide evidence that he wrote the song adaptations, and that she was involved. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] ([[User talk:Kerochan no Miko|talk]]) 21:21, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
 
::::That is proof that Angelo was an audio mixer engineer, which is fine, but not what's under discussion here. You still need to provide evidence that he wrote the song adaptations, and that she was involved. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] ([[User talk:Kerochan no Miko|talk]]) 21:21, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
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:::::Here's a copy of Angelo's adaptation lyrics of the "I am Sailor Moon" song he adapted in the episode "Mimet's Mess" that Esther Thibault sent me from her personal archives [https://i.ibb.co/mbrnNRr/Mimets-Mess-Lyrics.jpg] -[[User:CorzaMoon|Corza Moon]] ([[User talk:CorzaMoon|talk]]) 02:30, 20 April 2020 (EDT)
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::::::1) Again, this is something that anyone could invent. Where is the evidence that it is actually legitimate material?
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::::::2) This is especially true in that you're claiming it comes from someone you have yet to prove had anything to do with the series in the first place.
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::::::3) The song you're showing alleged lyrics for is not any of the three currently under discussion?
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:::::: Look, I get that you want to have information about dub info. And I would love to ''have'' more dub info. But there is '''so very much''' unsourced, hearsay, or just outright invented dub info out there that we need to have evidence to back up what we put up on the wiki so that people ''know'' this is a source that can be trusted. "This is true because this person told me so" is exactly how so many rumors and pieces of disinformation that you've been correcting got out there in the first place and we cannot perpetuate that.
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::::::Please research and provide actual, verifiable evidence for your claims so I don't have to keep harassing you every time you add something to an article. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] ([[User talk:Kerochan no Miko|talk]]) 03:00, 20 April 2020 (EDT)
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:::::::I am doing research. That document was proof he wrote at least one of the adaptations for Sailor Moon S. The lyrics are correct, and even have more lyrics that were actually kept in the episode. A lot of this was from 20-25 years ago now, and the big organizations that existed at the time, no longer do. Why can't we trust the people that were actually in the series? Angelo Oddi owns his own company. He and the actors that worked on S and Super S confirmed they recorded at the studio that he privately owned in Toronto. Angelo is the one who said "Esther Thibault" sung his songs, coz he was the one that mixed it. When emailing from her official website, which also states she sung for Sailor Moon [https://estherthibaultca.wordpress.com/about/], she then sent me that piece of evidence (and copy and pasted her digital lyrics for the other songs - which were slightly different to what fans had heard, but now make perfect sense), as it's the only hard copy of the song she had in storage. It was her first acting/singing gig in animation, so since she didn't have her union card yet, they did not credit her, and she didn't realize at the time she didn't get credited, or needed to ask (same goes with everyone else I have discovered who weren't credited). I wish the dub was as organized as the Japanese version and everything is pretty much laid out for us, but it just isn't the case with these organizations. I'll keep doing my dub mystery solving, but this isn't like the fake news from years ago, these are all legit. Unless I can give you more evidence than their words (and samples), then I won't add any more dub info. -[[User:CorzaMoon|Corza Moon]] ([[User talk:CorzaMoon|talk]]) 03:29, 20 April 2020 (EDT)
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::::::::Look at this from my (and others') perspective. "These are all legit" - ''according to you''. How do I ''know'' that you are actually speaking to actual people who are telling the truth? How do I ''know'' that "this isn't like the fake news from years ago"? All I have is some random internet user giving me their word and scans of random unsourced text documents. This is why I keep asking for ''actual proof''. I need to know that this is legit beyond you just claiming that it is. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] ([[User talk:Kerochan no Miko|talk]]) 23:54, 20 April 2020 (EDT)
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:::::::::The only fake news from years ago was from one person talking to one fake account. When the people I am talking to know each other, and they're posting live videos of themselves during the covid19 pandemic, then I don't see any reason not to trust them. I'm not making the same mistake as that person in question. I verify each and every source I'm in contact with looking into their posts, their live stories and other such content. Esther (the singer) just recorded a new version of the "Love is my heart" song and posted it to Facebook and YouTube after I spoke to her and sparked some creativity for her old songs. -[[User:CorzaMoon|Corza Moon]] ([[User talk:CorzaMoon|talk]]) 04:25, 30 April 2020 (EDT)
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::::::::::....what do you mean, "that person"? I'm not talking about ''one'' person or ''one'' incident here. There's always been a ''massive abundance'' of fake information, rumors, and outright lies in the Sailor Moon fandom from the very beginning, it has never stopped, and this wiki was founded in part to combat it and be a place where people can find actual facts. This is why I'm determined now to keep it as evidence-based and truthful as possible. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] ([[User talk:Kerochan no Miko|talk]]) 21:35, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 14:56, 9 May 2020

The adaptation was written by Angelo Oddi
Source needed. Kerochan no Miko (talk) 01:03, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

Official website: http://www.angelooddi.com/page-4/ Sailor Moon (song adaptation/ arranging). He has also confirmed the singer to be Esther Thibault. I am also contacting her to see if she voiced any characters on top of recording the 3 songs.
Anyone can make a website. That is not proof. Kerochan no Miko (talk) 00:45, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
Sorry, I forgot that you don't know much about the English adaptation of Sailor Moon, here's a screenshot of Angelo's name in the credits for Super S -> [1]. Also Esther Thibault, the singer who didn't have her union card until after doing Sailor Moon, so she was not credited, has emailed me the lyrics and titles for the songs and is also going to send me some audio samples she has on hand of other additional dialogue she recorded, but if you want more proof other than Angelo and herself being a part of the series, I'll leave it. -Corza Moon (talk) 18:32, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
That is proof that Angelo was an audio mixer engineer, which is fine, but not what's under discussion here. You still need to provide evidence that he wrote the song adaptations, and that she was involved. Kerochan no Miko (talk) 21:21, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
Here's a copy of Angelo's adaptation lyrics of the "I am Sailor Moon" song he adapted in the episode "Mimet's Mess" that Esther Thibault sent me from her personal archives [2] -Corza Moon (talk) 02:30, 20 April 2020 (EDT)
1) Again, this is something that anyone could invent. Where is the evidence that it is actually legitimate material?
2) This is especially true in that you're claiming it comes from someone you have yet to prove had anything to do with the series in the first place.
3) The song you're showing alleged lyrics for is not any of the three currently under discussion?
Look, I get that you want to have information about dub info. And I would love to have more dub info. But there is so very much unsourced, hearsay, or just outright invented dub info out there that we need to have evidence to back up what we put up on the wiki so that people know this is a source that can be trusted. "This is true because this person told me so" is exactly how so many rumors and pieces of disinformation that you've been correcting got out there in the first place and we cannot perpetuate that.
Please research and provide actual, verifiable evidence for your claims so I don't have to keep harassing you every time you add something to an article. Kerochan no Miko (talk) 03:00, 20 April 2020 (EDT)
I am doing research. That document was proof he wrote at least one of the adaptations for Sailor Moon S. The lyrics are correct, and even have more lyrics that were actually kept in the episode. A lot of this was from 20-25 years ago now, and the big organizations that existed at the time, no longer do. Why can't we trust the people that were actually in the series? Angelo Oddi owns his own company. He and the actors that worked on S and Super S confirmed they recorded at the studio that he privately owned in Toronto. Angelo is the one who said "Esther Thibault" sung his songs, coz he was the one that mixed it. When emailing from her official website, which also states she sung for Sailor Moon [3], she then sent me that piece of evidence (and copy and pasted her digital lyrics for the other songs - which were slightly different to what fans had heard, but now make perfect sense), as it's the only hard copy of the song she had in storage. It was her first acting/singing gig in animation, so since she didn't have her union card yet, they did not credit her, and she didn't realize at the time she didn't get credited, or needed to ask (same goes with everyone else I have discovered who weren't credited). I wish the dub was as organized as the Japanese version and everything is pretty much laid out for us, but it just isn't the case with these organizations. I'll keep doing my dub mystery solving, but this isn't like the fake news from years ago, these are all legit. Unless I can give you more evidence than their words (and samples), then I won't add any more dub info. -Corza Moon (talk) 03:29, 20 April 2020 (EDT)
Look at this from my (and others') perspective. "These are all legit" - according to you. How do I know that you are actually speaking to actual people who are telling the truth? How do I know that "this isn't like the fake news from years ago"? All I have is some random internet user giving me their word and scans of random unsourced text documents. This is why I keep asking for actual proof. I need to know that this is legit beyond you just claiming that it is. Kerochan no Miko (talk) 23:54, 20 April 2020 (EDT)
The only fake news from years ago was from one person talking to one fake account. When the people I am talking to know each other, and they're posting live videos of themselves during the covid19 pandemic, then I don't see any reason not to trust them. I'm not making the same mistake as that person in question. I verify each and every source I'm in contact with looking into their posts, their live stories and other such content. Esther (the singer) just recorded a new version of the "Love is my heart" song and posted it to Facebook and YouTube after I spoke to her and sparked some creativity for her old songs. -Corza Moon (talk) 04:25, 30 April 2020 (EDT)
....what do you mean, "that person"? I'm not talking about one person or one incident here. There's always been a massive abundance of fake information, rumors, and outright lies in the Sailor Moon fandom from the very beginning, it has never stopped, and this wiki was founded in part to combat it and be a place where people can find actual facts. This is why I'm determined now to keep it as evidence-based and truthful as possible. Kerochan no Miko (talk) 21:35, 30 April 2020 (EDT)