Talk:Evil Black Crystal

Slight inconsistency; "水晶" is romanized "suishou" here, but "zuishou" in the Silver Crystal entry. Is either alternative more or less correct than the other? --Rosen 01:55, 25 March 2008 (MST)

My understanding is that such difference is stemmed from the slight difference in pronunciation of "水" when it's placed after different words (a crude analogy would be the different pronunciation of "the" when it's placed before words beginning w/ vowels). So there's no question of which is more correct. --210 05:49, 25 March 2008 (MST)

What he said. The furigana for the Silver Crystal is ず and for the Jakokusuishou it's す. Not inconsistent, not wrong. Just different kanji combinations. Kerochan no Miko 07:24, 25 March 2008 (MST)

Just one handy example from the word "furigana" in Kerochan's comment above: the "gana" part is originally pronounced as "kana," but when placed after "furi," its pronunciation slightly changes. lol I guess there might be some rules for such changes. If so, I've never formally learned them, nor do I think they're rigid ones - it just comes off naturally. --210 00:41, 26 March 2008 (MST)

Enemy Weapon

I think we should but a template Enemy Weapon and the category Enemy Attack Items for this article since Esmeraude used one of her earrings in Ankoku nor Princess to perform Black Vicious Crystal and Vicious Emerald, and Petz used in both the manga and musical to create a tornado.--Sailor Simon 17:10, 11 May 2010

Only one template per article. Kerochan no Miko 17:10, 11 March 2012 (MST)

Also, if a discussion is more than about six months old, it would be a really good idea to ask before assuming it's still valid. Especially since there was no response to this one, so likely no one saw it. I know I didn't. Kerochan no Miko 17:10, 11 March 2012 (MST)

The only other template I see is stubs and that doesn't really count since they are already plenty of article with a template And a stub and that never seemed to bother anyone? Besides the template Stubs is not meant to stay there forever. --Sailorsimon 19:52, 11 March 2012 (MST)

...you just added both the "enemy weapon" and "enemy attack items" templates to this article, Sailorsimon.

Also, I don't see that either one of those is applicable here. From what I understand the Evil Black Crystal is more or less equivalent to the Silver Crystal (albeit in smaller pieces) and that doesn't have a template on it. Kerochan no Miko 20:36, 11 March 2012 (MST)

Er. My bad. You didn't add them, you proposed to add them, but today added a template and a category, neither of which is applicable, IMHO. That's what I meant. Kerochan no Miko 20:38, 11 March 2012 (MST)

First of all, the template "enemy weapon" and the category "enemy attack item" go together, or at least they do in every single articles that has either one of them, for example; Fire Buster. Same thing goes for "Sailor Senshi Weapon" which goes with the category "attack item". Last time I checked, attack item = item you attack with or use/need to perform/during an attack = weapon. Like I said, Esmeraude used her Evil Black Crystal earring to perform an attack twice (both with and without the Ayakashi Sisters), so did Petz in the manga and musicals; they needed that item to perform those specific attacks and used that item's power to perform those attacks (In her fight against Jupiter, Petz clearly states that her attack is meant to show the Evil Black Crystal Earrings' tornado power; she obviously needed the Evil Black Crystal to create her unnamed tornado attack) meaning that it is an enemy attack item, unless my logic fails.

As for the Silver Crystal, it should definitely have its own template as well. I mean if you look at the Silver Crystal Power attack, the Sailor Senshi obviously needed the "Silver Crystal" to perform that attack; it IS therefore a "Sailor Senshi Weapon" and as such goes under the "attack item" category, like the "Space Sword" for example. It IS an object required for a certain or certain attack(s) and to come back to the "Silver Crystal Power" example, note that the "item required" section of the template clearly states : "Silver Crystal", as it should. If this template says the item required for this attack is the Silver Crystal, it would only makes sense therefore that the Silver Crystal be considered an attack item and therefore have the Sailor Senshi Weapon template in its article. Otherwise, that would be like not having that very same template in Space Sword. While the Silver Crystal is used for other things than to fight, it CAN and IS used as a weapon during the course of the series, in all canon. I mean Princess Sailor Moon does use it to destroy the world. If that is not considered a "weapon", then I don't know what is.

In short, both those crystals are used as weapons and are specifically needed in several specific attacks. Therefore, they should both get that template and the associated category as well. --Sailorsimon 21:28, 11 March 2012 (MST)

The first part (with templates and categories) is unnecessary, as you're making an argument against something I didn't say. As for the rest, I completely disagree. A weapon is a weapon and the Silver Crystal is not a weapon even if it can be used as such; the Black Crystal earrings are similar. On this point I will not argue. Kerochan no Miko 21:38, 11 March 2012 (MST)