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| | + | Thx for clearing them up, Kerochan. Y'know, one of my teachers of Chinese language/literature hates those brackets. I don't know why I tend to use them in English. Maybe because it's a 2nd language I haven't mastered, or I've even been (badly) (!) influenced by progamming languages. I'll pay more attention to it & try reducing their usage. lol --[[User:210|210]] 00:08, 2 March 2007 (MST) |
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| − | ===Some of Her Latest Bits of Info===
| + | ''she has also said that Mew teaches her things regarding her work as well as private matters.'' |
| − | * For her fans, here's some bits about her at [http://mew.fan-club.ne.jp Mew's blog] <small>[now defunct]</small> (yes, Mew's blog!), but I think it's too minor to be included in her article. [[User:210|210]] 05:04, 31 August 2006 (MST)
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| − | * Latest photo w/ the suspected hands of her can be found at [http://www.blog.s-woman.net/stmo/2006/09/post_41b8.html Mew's another blog] <small>[now defunct]</small>. Japanese fans speculate that they are (not w/o reasons), & even consider it as a sign of her return (now that's ridiculous). [[User:210|210]] 22:40, 14 September 2006 (MST)
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| − | * Considering the last comment above & the comment in [[Talk: Keiko Kitagawa#Another Senshi Reunion (w/ one missing)|this section (titled "Another Senshi Reunion")]], she seems to be currently living in her Kyoto home. --[[User:210|210]] 21:22, 29 October 2006 (MST)
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| − | * Another Senshi reunion. This time it's Komatsu's turn to be missing (she's extremely busy w/ her latest TV drama - 2 episodes to be done each day, morning till nite). As expected, Rika doesn't show up in the photo (she took that photo). See [http://blog.yahoo.co.jp/kitagawakeiko2006 Kei-chan's <nowiki>[2006/11/26]</nowiki> blog entry] (scroll down & click the entry title). --[[User:210|210]] 21:30, 25 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | :Note that Rika's given name is rendered in katakana instead of kanji in the blog entry (Mew's given name is also rendered in hiragana instead of kanji, but this is to avoid mixing up w/ the identical given name of Sawai, who is, unlike the other 2 girls, represented there by her family name instead of her given name for the same reason). --[[User:210|210]] 04:39, 26 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | * In the very long [2006-11-27] entry in [http://ameblo.jp/mewazama/ her new blog], Mew mentions the abovementioned reunion & there's a single sentence about her hanging out w/ Rika (again) later on another day (haven't heard about Rika hanging out w/ the other girls other than Mew yet, whereas Mew has gone out w/ Sawai & slept at Keiko's Tokyo residence<strike>, not to mention Keiko & Ayaka</strike>). Mew renders Rika's given name in hiragana. --[[User:210|210]] 00:30, 29 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | :Mew's yet another hanging out w/ Rika today. This time it's a bit more detailed in her [2006-11-30] entry (titled "Nakayoshi"). --[[User:210|210]] 06:57, 30 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | * In the [2007-05-24] entry of [http://ameblo.jp/mewazama/ her blog], Mew mentions that she had dinner w/ Rika, that they talk via email every day, "love love" (lol), etc. They might be the closest-among-the-Senshi pair equivalent to the Keiko-Ayaka one, hence leaving Sawai the odd one out. lol --[[User:210|210]] 19:10, 24 May 2007 (MST)
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| − | * In the [2007-05-28] entry of [http://ameblo.jp/mewazama/ her blog], Mew mentions that she went w/ Rika to MARIS, the favorite beauty salon of the Senshi actresses (especially Keiko, who's probably the one recommending it to the other girls). --[[User:210|210]] 20:52, 27 May 2007 (MST)
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| − | * In the [2007-06-26] entry of [http://ameblo.jp/mewazama/ her blog], Mew mentions that she hang out w/ Sawai & Rika (Keiko was supposed to come also but couldn't make it in the last minute; Komatsu also couldn't come [she's quite busy lately, & has returned to live at her Iwate home while working in nearby Sendai & also in Tokyo - as in her PGSM days]). --[[User:210|210]] 06:56, 26 June 2007 (MST)
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| − | * In the [2007-11-09] entry of [http://ameblo.jp/mewazama/ her blog], Mew mentions that in a full Senshi reunion, they celebrated the birthdays of Miyuu, Keiko, & Rika.
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| − | :Note that in the above photo, Miyuu's name is misspelled.
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| − | :--[[User:210|210]] 05:47, 9 November 2007 (MST)
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| − | * In the [2007-11-30] entry of [http://ameblo.jp/mewazama/ her blog], Mew mentions that she's having home-made hot pot w/ Rika at her (Mew's) home (just the 2 of them). These 2 Senshi actresses seems to be really close friends. --[[User:210|210]] 19:50, 30 November 2007 (MST)
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| − | * In the [2007.12.21] entry of [http://www.ayaka502.com/blog/?sid=vv8jqjoan9hdn4tukpg27bvqb3 her blog], Komatsu mentions about a full Senshi reunion in their Yearend gathering, which doubled as a pre-celebration party for Mew's coming birthday later this month. --[[User:210|210]] 06:06, 21 December 2007 (MST)
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| − | :Alas on her birthday & in the [2007-12-26] entry of [http://ameblo.jp/mewazama/ her blog], Mew mentions about this Senshi reunion & her early birthday celebration in it. --[[User:210|210]] 22:29, 25 December 2007 (MST)
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| − | * In the [2008.02.05] entry of [http://www.ayaka502.com/blog/?sid=5tsagd07epiut5us41k65kj832 her blog], Komatsu mentions about a full Senshi + PGSM staff/actors ([[Nobuhiro Suzumura|a director]], [[Yasuko Kobayashi|the writer]], [[Hiroyuki Matsumoto|Nephrite]], & [[Jyoji Shibue|Tux]]) reunion. --[[User:210|210]] 03:38, 5 February 2008 (MST)
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| − | * In the [2008-02-21] entry of [http://ameblo.jp/mewazama/ her blog], Mew mentions about her dining w/ Keiko & Rika. I guess Rika is currently living in Tokyo, probably for studies or work. --[[User:210|210]] 18:22, 21 February 2008 (MST)
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| − | * In the 1st [2008.05.16] entry of [http://www.ayaka502.com/blog/?sid=2bst642jkmk2pnfjbrauslmqm3 her blog], Komatsu mentions about a full Senshi dining reunion. --[[User:210|210]] 04:24, 16 May 2008 (MST)
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| − | * In the [http://star-studio.jp/kitagawa-keiko/index.php?date=2008-08-08 <nowiki>[2008.08.08]</nowiki> entry of her blog], Keiko mentions about Rika, Mew, & Ayaka attending her movie premiere (she's also invited Miyuu, but the latter was unable to attend due to work), & about all 5 girls having a birthday party for Ayaka on the next day. For the very 1st time since her hiatus, Rika was mentioned by her full proper name (her current stage name Izumi Rika) on a fellow Senshi actress' blog, reflecting her current coming back to work in the industry. (Mew has also mentioned that in the [http://ameblo.jp/mewazama/day-20080806.html <nowiki>[2008-08-06]</nowiki>] & [http://ameblo.jp/mewazama/day-20080808.html <nowiki>[2008-08-08]</nowiki>] entries of her blog.) --[[User:210|210]] 02:14, 8 August 2008 (MST)
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| − | :In the [http://star-studio.jp/kitagawa-keiko/index.php?date=2008-08-09 <nowiki>[2008.08.09]</nowiki> entry of her blog], Keiko even posted the photo of ''all'' 5 girls together in the aforementioned birthday party. (A similar photo was also posted in the 1st of [http://www.ayaka502.com/blog/index.php?blogid=2&archive=2008-8-8 Ayaka's <nowiki>[2008.08.08]</nowiki> entries], in which, in addition, she also mentions about her going to a fashion fair w/ Mew & Rika - Rika is referred to by her given stage name.) --[[User:210|210]] 00:35, 9 August 2008 (MST)
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| − | [Logging ended here w/ her return to the industry & the availability of formal, official sources of info about her again]
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| − | Out of curiosity, why are you putting trivia notes on the talk page? [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] 15:47, 26 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | :Refer to my 1st comment in this section - they're too trivial to be put into even a trivia section of the article page. But my last comment here is interesting in that it signals that Rika is genuinely out of the entertainment circle as her artist-friends don't even publicly mention her name in its proper normal form (& it's not meant to be a nick like "Sailor Rika" mentioned by Mew earlier in her blog), not to mention the lack of her public appearance in photos (except "her hands" lol, see the 2nd note above). So should this be mentioned in the article? I'm not sure. --[[User:210|210]] 18:17, 26 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | ::It seems to me like the kinds of things that would be listed on, say, a fansite or a celebrity blog or something like that. Nothing that belongs in an article or, really, on the talk page. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] 18:37, 26 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | :::I see nthg harmful on the talk page. Some viewers of the article could be her fans. This could conveniently provide them w/ further info they could be interested in w/o putting too-trivial stuff into the article itself. --[[User:210|210]] 18:52, 26 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | ::::Talk pages are generally meant for discussion of the ''article'', not gossip about "what Chisaki wore last week". [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] 19:32, 26 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | ^ It's related to the article as to her most recent whereabouts, &, of course, I won't talk about her dressing style here (actually I've no idea about it too due to the lack of her recent photos lol). --[[User:210|210]] 21:22, 26 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | :My point is that it ''isn't'' related to the article, it's your own personal gossip-column tidbits about Chisaki. The "clothing" part was hyperbole. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] 21:27, 26 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | ::Of course I know what you meant by that part, I was only joking in the 2nd part of my last comment. ^^; And yes, they're tidbits, as the section title has already suggested, & they're posted by me, but they're still related to the article as I've explained in my last comment. In a more general perspective, even info later found to be crude/unpolished, purely speculated or outright false in talk pages is essential as the deliberations in those pages contribute to the "brewing" of the current contents in article pages. As long as they're related to the article's subject, they're fine here. --[[User:210|210]] 00:10, 27 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | :::Yes. They're related to Chisaki, and the article is about Chisaki. And by that logic they're related to the article. However, this is a talk page about the article and not a gossip column. Also, you claim they're "fine" and "essential". According to whom, exactly? If I cared about Chisaki's latest goings-on, I'd look at a fanblog, which is where this stuff belongs, IMHO. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] 15:22, 27 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | ::::"According to whom?" Of course it's "according to" me! I stated it in my previous comments & that reflects my view, & the reasons have already been given there. Whatever labels you'd like to affix to it (gossip, papparazzi (sp), stalking, tabloid?), it's the infobase for the article - it could be adopted, refined, summarized, discarded, etc., & it also provides a convenient way for viewers, her fans or not, to know about the details or origins behind the article's info. And I didn't & don't intend to mention every tidbits I know about her here as a fanblogger would do. So "according to" me, if you like, it does no harm. --[[User:210|210]] 19:58, 27 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | :::::I'm not saying that it harms anything. I'm saying that it's out of place here. And therefore, you could probably find a better venue to post these tidbits where people who are looking would know where to look for it. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] 21:33, 27 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | ^ And I'm not saying that you'd said it harmed anything. lol I just said what I thought. I think further discussion of this will just continue the repetition of arguments or further elaboration of them, if not degenerate into non-discussion. We've already made our points. Now if you don't mind I'm gonna small-font this part, since it's barely related to the actress (if you don't like your comments in small font, just cancel the tags I'm gonna insert). --[[User:210|210]] 19:15, 28 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | :It's not about the actress, but it's about the article/talk page. And therefore actually ''is'' relevant on said talk page. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] 11:50, 29 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | ::Small font doesn't mean it's irrelevant. It's just barely related to the actress. As I've said, it's ok that you prefer to resume the font size. --[[User:210|210]] 19:32, 29 November 2006 (MST)
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| − | :::You said, ''I'm gonna small-font this part, since it's barely related to the actress''. That means you're small-fonting it because you think it's irrelevant. If that's not what you mean, then watch what you say. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] 21:06, 29 November 2006 (MST)
| + | That's...really vague. I think it needs to either be clarified or removed because "she teaches things" doesn't really ''say'' anything. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] 11:47, 9 June 2009 (MST) |
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| − | ::::If you like to substitute the word "relevant" for "related" in my sentence you quoted, then it's also ok to say I meant "barely relevant" ''as far as the actress is concerned'', but that doesn't mean it's irrelevant/barely relevant here - just "watch" what I said in my last comment (& you may also replace "related" by "relevant" if you insist lol). --[[User:210|210]] 05:51, 30 November 2006 (MST) | + | :Reworded a bit. --[[User:210|210]] 22:15, 9 June 2009 (MST) |
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| − | :::::"Relevant" and "related" ''are'' synonyms. 9_9 I still think your gossip bytes are completely pointless on the talk page, but you're obviously determined to justify it in your own mind, so whatever. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] 12:14, 30 November 2006 (MST)
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| | + | I was thinking the same, but you know that Western society don't always understand the Japanese concept of cuteness. Anyway, better removed, yes. --[[User:Silver 17|Silver]] 06:00, 1 September 2009 (MST) |
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| − | ^ Yeah, I also guess these 2 words are, even tho I'm not a native English speaker. Now that we've got at least sthg to agree on, let's close this discussion ok. ^^ --[[User:210|210]] 18:27, 30 November 2006 (MST)
| + | :She did use the word "kawaii" in the interview, but since she was referring to Marilyn Monroe, I'm not sure whether she really meant the kind of cuteness as described in that Wikipedia article, hence I removed that link. --[[User:210|210]] 22:42, 1 September 2009 (MST) |
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| − | Thx for clearing them up, Kerochan. Y'know, one of my teachers of Chinese language/literature hates those brackets. I don't know why I tend to use them in English. Maybe because it's a 2nd language I haven't mastered, or I've even been (badly) (!) influenced by progamming languages. I'll pay more attention to it & try reducing their usage. lol --[[User:210|210]] 00:08, 2 March 2007 (MST)
| + | Since she's been using the name for some time now, so I propose that this article be moved to '''Rika Izumi'''. [[User:Kerochan no Miko|Kerochan no Miko]] ([[User talk:Kerochan no Miko|talk]]) 22:06, 11 October 2020 (EDT) |
The kanji of her name is as follows:
Ri - Nashi (the fruit)
ka - Chuka Ryori (Chinese cuisine)
So someone pls help. Thx! 210 03:37, 5 August 2006 (MST)
The Chisaki-chan entry was mine. For some reason the server logged me off while I was browsing the site. --Rosen 07:51, 5 August 2006 (MST)
- Her official site has blocked all foreign IPs a long time ago. But you may go here to find some of the pages from there (there're ways to get around the block). 210 18:09, 5 August 2006 (MST)
- I think I'm still too sleepy in Sun. morning - now I know what you meant Rosen: you were referring to the WikiMoon server. lol That might be an auto logout due to timeout? 210 20:54, 5 August 2006 (MST)
Could someone add her other kanji name? Thx! 210 18:18, 5 August 2006 (MST)
- Thx for adding it! Just to inform that the current policy for 3-kanji/kana names is to have no spacing between the given & family names. 210 18:55, 5 August 2006 (MST)
Could someone swap the kanji names (can't do it w/ my device)? Thx! 210 04:07, 6 August 2006 (MST)
- ^ Pls. ^^; 210 22:05, 6 August 2006 (MST)
Chisaki in cast lists
Could we just stick to the credited name rther than always having 'Rika' in brackets? In cases where actors changed their names in the middle of a series (such as Taeko Kawata) I usually just use the name listed for that episode and set up redirects if necessary. The current system looks a little ugly. dooky 21:03, 24 August 2006 (MST)
- Agreed. I'll do it for the existing episode cast lists. 210 21:05, 24 August 2006 (MST)
Parenthesis
Thx for clearing them up, Kerochan. Y'know, one of my teachers of Chinese language/literature hates those brackets. I don't know why I tend to use them in English. Maybe because it's a 2nd language I haven't mastered, or I've even been (badly) (!) influenced by progamming languages. I'll pay more attention to it & try reducing their usage. lol --210 00:08, 2 March 2007 (MST)
Trivia
she has also said that Mew teaches her things regarding her work as well as private matters.
That's...really vague. I think it needs to either be clarified or removed because "she teaches things" doesn't really say anything. Kerochan no Miko 11:47, 9 June 2009 (MST)
- Reworded a bit. --210 22:15, 9 June 2009 (MST)
Cuteness
I was thinking the same, but you know that Western society don't always understand the Japanese concept of cuteness. Anyway, better removed, yes. --Silver 06:00, 1 September 2009 (MST)
- She did use the word "kawaii" in the interview, but since she was referring to Marilyn Monroe, I'm not sure whether she really meant the kind of cuteness as described in that Wikipedia article, hence I removed that link. --210 22:42, 1 September 2009 (MST)
Move Proposal
Since she's been using the name for some time now, so I propose that this article be moved to Rika Izumi. Kerochan no Miko (talk) 22:06, 11 October 2020 (EDT)
